In this episode, I talk to Holly Worton from Surry, UK who is an author, a podcaster, speaker and business mindset coach for women entrepreneurs.
There are two things that Holly loves to talk about; one is WordPress, and that ticks a box. But the other is about finding and using the right mindset to help you with your business and life. In a world where working 18 hours seems to be a badge of honour, Holly brings fresh and interesting insights.
“If you are hustling all the time and you are just working, working, working, you don’t have any space for the creative ideas to come in. And that’s what the goal is in business” – Holly Worton
- Official Site: http://www.hollyworton.com/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/hollyworton
- Holly Worton’s Amazon Author Profile: http://amzn.to/2xvs43D
- Business Beliefs: 600+ Beliefs That Make Up a Successful Business Mindset: http://amzn.to/2wAIlHR
- Divi WordPress Theme & Page Builder: https://www.elegantthemes.com/gallery/divi/
Ahmed Khalifa: This is the IgniteRock podcast with your host, Ahmed Khalifa, episode 23. Let’s go. And here we go. This is the IgniteRock podcast with your host, Ahmed Khalifa, and this is where we listen to awesome individuals, who are doing awesome stuff using WordPress. Welcome to the show everyone, thank you for tuning in and thank you for lending me your ears.
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And here we go everyone, it’s going to be a really, really good interview today because I’ve got Holly Worton on the line.
I’m quite excited by this one because I’ve been reading quite a lot about what she’s being doing, and it’s very different, but I think going to be very, very cool as well. Holly, thank you for your time. I really do appreciate you giving me your time and effort, and sharing your wisdom to be here today. I guess we can start off with just tell us a bit about yourself, who you are, where you’re from, and how did you get to where you are today.
Holly Worton: All right. Thank you for having me first of all. I’m excited to be on your show talking about WordPress. I love WordPress.
So, who am I? I am a business mindset coach. I work with entrepreneurs, people who are trying to build a business, but who are feeling stuck or struggling to really step into their full potential because of limiting beliefs, self-esteem, self-confidence issues. Those are kind of the biggest things that come up with my clients.
I work with them using a combination of a technique that helps you reprogram your beliefs at the subconscious level and also releases any energy blocks you might have in your system, and I combine that with just practical business coaching and mentoring. That’s what I do.
Ahmed Khalifa: How did you get to that? I saw on your site, you call yourself ‘The Business Mindset Alchemist.’ It’s a powerful word, alchemist. I think of the book, obviously.
You know, immediately I’m thinking I can see the relation to it, but how did you get to that stage, why did you get to that stage, and also tell me a little bit more about you in terms of how do you go about helping particularly woman entrepreneurs, helping them get that mindset and help them succeed as well.
Holly Worton: Okay. I’ve been in business since 1999. Not this particular business, but I had my previous business with a business partner. That was way back when I lived in Latin America, and we owned eco-hotels in Mexico.
That was my first business. I had zero business experience. I just kind of got thrown into this project, it was such hard work. It grew beautifully over the course of 10 years, after which, I decided to leave the business, take some time off and then start up a new business. I decided to go into coaching because I love personal development, I love the concept of coaching.
My coaching training was hugely transformational for me. I thought it would be easy because I had 10 years of business experience, compared to everyone else in my coaching programme had zero years of business experience. I thought my area of expertise within my previous business was online marketing, so I thought I’ve got the online marketing skills, I’ve got the business skills, I totally know what I’m doing. Now I know how to coach, we’re all set. It wasn’t like that. It was so hard.
I struggled so much to set up my business. My business went through so many different incarnations. It went through life coaching and then I was doing social media coaching, like helping people learn how to use social media in their business, and then I went back to business coaching. It was a long journey of many different versions of my business, but throughout all of it, I struggled so much because of my own limiting beliefs.
You know, I had all the practical business skills, I knew what to do, but I wasn’t always doing it because I didn’t really believe in myself. I had that imposter syndrome – what if people find out I’m not perfect, what if I make a mistake, how could I market myself?
When you’re a coach, that kind of business is very much about you. It wasn’t like I was marketing this hotel, which I had created, but it wasn’t me. That was easy. But when the focus was all on me and my business as a coach, it was so hard because I had so much stuff in my head that wasn’t serving me. It was just I’m not good enough, never going to be good enough, just low self-esteem, low self-confidence, even though I had all the practical knowledge.
So, that’s why, instead of just being a straight up business coach, I wanted to work with people on the deeper stuff, which is the mindset. From my experience, from my personal experience and from what I see in other people, if you’re working to build your business and it’s just not working, it could be because your mindset isn’t where it needs to be.
Ahmed Khalifa: Very good point. I mean, to be fair, I think everyone has been to that stage of imposter syndrome and you’re not good enough. You can go through like 10, 20 years of experience and you still doubt yourself, so I can relate to that and I’m sure a lot of people who are listening can relate to that as well. It’s about trusting yourself, trusting your skills, trusting your belief and your knowledge, and that you can help people.
It’s not easy, you have to kind of get over that hurdle. It’s not easy at all, but I’m sure that you’ve noticed kind of recently, there seems to be a trend where you have to hustle to succeed, you have to work your butt off, you have to work at least 16 hours a day, whether it’s online or in Canary Wharf or Wall Street, wherever, that seems to be a trend. Also it’s something to be shown off about.
Apparently people boast about, “Yeah, I work 16 hours,” or, “I sleep three hours a day because X, Y and Z.” I’m going to guess that you are not in that kind of mentality at all. It’s the complete opposite as well, I’m guessing.
Holly Worton: Yes. Yeah, you’re right. That was a good guess. In my first business, I was a workaholic. I worked crazy, long hours. I would be up at 7 o’clock in the morning and I would go to bed at one in the morning, or later. I was working the entire day.
Because our business was hotels, we also had restaurants, so I didn’t even have to cook. I would just sit at my desk, and the cook would bring me a plate of food to my desk and I would eat as I was working. I didn’t even take the time to get up and get food.
It was just really, really … As you said, I prided myself on that. I was so proud of the fact that I didn’t have time to eat a proper meal, I just ate in front of my computer because I was working so hard. It’s like we put so much value on hard work, and it has to be hard and you have to hustle, and I don’t believe that anymore. You can run a business that way, and if that’s what you want, great, but I don’t think it’s the right path for everyone and I think it can lead to burnout for a lot of people.
In between my two businesses, I actually took about a year and a half off of what I called a sabbatical, but it ended up being more than a year, because I was so burnt out, just deep, deep burnout. I had to get to the point where I could recover from that before I could start thinking about what new business I wanted to set up.
It was just so stressful and I had to get all that stress out of my system and kind of start fresh, because I was just knackered, just not in a good place at all. That is one way to run a business, but I don’t think that’s the only way to run a business. I think you can do it without the hustle.
Ahmed Khalifa: You don’t have to, yeah. It depends on who you are, what works for you. Yeah, it makes sense. For me, I’m not one to work 18 hours a day, and don’t eat food and don’t exercise. I think it seems to be sometimes people think that I should put all hours of the day to making your business work, or anything, any project work, your studies or whatever.
But sometimes you have to stop, sometimes you have to take a break, take one step backwards to go two steps forward. It’s hard for a lot of people to think like that, and I don’t blame them, but it’s really true. You have to kind of look after yourself and look after your body, your mindset and all these things. That’s what you do, I suppose, as well.
Holly Worton: I think that down time is really important because that’s also when you’re creative ideas come in. If you’re hustling all the time and you’re just working, working, working, you don’t have any space for those creative ideas to come in, and that’s where the gold is in business so often.
Ahmed Khalifa: You’ve got loads of creative ideas because now you’re … All this content you’re creating, this blog and podcast, and a book as well. I mean, wow. You’ve got a lot of stuff going on there. I mean, over 200 episodes. You’ve got a book on Amazon, and it’s available for £1.99, about business mindset. It’s just amazing about how much creativity you have in you.
I’m curious to know, do you have a system? What is your routine when it comes to creating blog posts or podcasts, and even writing the book eventually? What kind of system did you have and how did that work out for you?
Holly Worton: I have a combination of a really clear system, and then no system at all. Let me try to explain that.
Ahmed Khalifa: We’ve all been there. We’ve all been there, don’t worry.
Holly Worton: Let me try to explain what that means. I actually have six books that I’ve written, that are available on Amazon. The way I got those done was with a very clear system that I call the ‘workation weekend.’
The ‘workation weekend,’ which you may have read on my website, once a month, I book a hotel, I get out of my office, out of my normal working space, I go somewhere different where I don’t have any distractions, I bring food with me and put it in the mini fridge, and I just work on one project.
The ‘workation weekends’ allowed me to write six books, self-publish them, they allowed me to do a website in a weekend, to create an online course in a weekend, because I just focused on that one thing. It’s like I allow myself to go into hyper focus mode, and I don’t do anything else. I don’t look at emails, I don’t look at Facebook, I don’t look at anything. I just do that one project. I get so much done in two days of super focus on one thing. That’s my one system that totally works.
For all the other content I create, and I’m aware that I create a lot of stuff because I’ve got a YouTube channel as well. I do videos, and I’m not super consistent with that. Blog posts, also not very consistent. The one thing that I have been super consistent with over the last four years is my podcast.
The system I have for that is I have someone that helps me with the audio stuff. I’ve got a great guy in the Philippines, he does my audio editing, he sets it all up on my blog, uploads it to Libsyn, gets it ready to go out on Facebook. He does like all the stuff that I don’t like doing, like I just do the interview, which is what I love, [inaudible 00:11:25] episode, and he does all the rest.
He’s great, he’s so much more on top of things than I am. He’s constantly getting in touch with me, he’s like, “Holly, I think you’re missing one element of this episode.”
Ahmed Khalifa: Wow.
Holly Worton: He’s really good. He’s a great guy and he’s been working with me from the start. Love him. It works because I’ve got a great guy who supports me in doing all the stuff that I’m not good at, and I work on a schedule about eight weeks out.
The interviews that I do this week will be going out eight weeks from now. I plan really far ahead of time and that gives me enough of a cushion in case life gets in the way, something happens, I get behind, that kind of thing. That’s how I’ve managed to be really, really consistent with the podcast in a way that I haven’t been consistent with blog posts or videos.
Ahmed Khalifa: It’s really interesting that you have outsourced things that you don’t like or takes you time, or whatever it is, and basically you’re buying yourself time to do other things as well. And why not? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. You shouldn’t be embarrassed about that.
You can’t be good at everything. You know, what could take you three hours in terms of editing anything, could take another person half an hour. You know, I don’t mind paying for that if it saves me three hours.
Holly Worton: Yeah, I completely agree. I think that’s something that more entrepreneurs need to understand. When I first started my podcast … I’m really good at teaching myself stuff, I’m really good at learning things, but when I first started my podcast, I looked at audio editing and I was like, “Okay, how do you do this? I need to figure this out.” I looked at it and I was like, “I don’t even want to learn that.”
I just went straight online, started asking friends, trying to find someone. Found him right away and he ended up being perfect. But it was really clear to me that that was a skill that I did not want to learn. So, it had to be outsourced.
Ahmed Khalifa: I think what you said about, you know, you lock yourself in a hotel room for a couple of days, whatever, it sounds very, very similar to what J. K. Rowling has done. I live in Edinburgh, and obviously she’s local, not that close to me, you know, but still, a local person.
I believe she has stayed a few places, in a couple of hotels, where she locked herself away and she wrote Harry Potter. It worked for her. There’s one particular café, it’s very, very popular because of that, because she sat there facing the Edinburgh Castle and just started writing. That became, you know, a worldwide phenomenon now, as well. It’s not a bad idea.
I think if you have that flexibility and the ability to go work in different places, take advantage of it. That’s really a good idea, I like that a lot. I’m going to have to think about locking myself at the hotel room, but just leave my wife at home.
Holly Worton: Yes, that’s the point. I don’t take my husband with me, he stays at home. My cats stay at home, I have no distractions. It’s just about finding what place works for you. Maybe it’s a hotel room, maybe it’s a café, like where does your brain focus best? That takes trial and error.
Ahmed Khalifa: Yeah. No, that makes sense. Obviously, all of this content, all of this stuff, yeah, it goes on YouTube and different places, but it has to go on your website, your WordPress site, that is the hub of everything for you.
I’m very curious to know about your first experience with WordPress, how was that? When was that, and why did you choose WordPress in the end, as well?
Holly Worton: Well, my first WordPress website started in 2006. I had been thinking about starting a blog because I was living in Latin America at the time, and I’ve lived in several different countries, so that means I’ve had friends in many different parts of the world.
It was really hard for me to stay in touch with people and I didn’t want to just kind of copy and paste the same email to everyone, like, so this is what’s going on in my life.
That just felt awkward and weird, and it was too much time and energy to write a separate email to everyone, and it was just awkward. A friend of mine had started a blog on WordPress, and I thought that’s a great idea for me to just update what’s going on in my life and people can read it or not. I saw that she had started her blog on WordPress, and I was like, “What is this WordPress thing?”
It was 2006, I hadn’t heard of it. Checked it out, really liked it, started my own blog, and that was how my WordPress journey began. I found it really easy to use. Like I said, I’ve always been really good at teaching myself stuff, especially technical stuff, but WordPress was just super, super easy.
Since then, I’ve never considered another platform for my websites. Whether I have someone else build a website for me or whether I do it on my own, I always use WordPress because I just love WordPress.
Ahmed Khalifa: I can tell. [crosstalk 00:16:13]
Holly Worton: I love it. Many years ago, I think it must have been 2007 or 2008, I met Matt Mullenweg a couple of times at WordCamp in Buenos Aires, in Argentina, where I lived. We went out to lunch a couple of times, and it was just so great to meet him and to see kind of the culture behind this system that I really loved.
So it’s like, love Matt, love WordPress, I’m not leaving any time soon. Any time anyone talks to me about any of the other content management systems out there, I’m like, “None of that, I just want WordPress.” It’s so good.
Ahmed Khalifa: Wow. That must be a really cool experience to meet Matt, and you went to WordCamp in Buenos Aires as well. For those who doesn’t know, WordCamp is like a WordPress conference. It is more of an event, people come together and share things. There’s speaking, and hack days and all these events going on. It’s a really, really fun environment to be in. Buy, yeah, you’ve caught the bug. That doesn’t matter, my kind of style, there’s nothing wrong with that at all.
So, obviously, you’re using WordPress now for your website, which is hollyworton.com and you’ve got .co.uk as well. Did you build it yourself? Did you start from scratch by yourself or did you have someone else to do it for you? What was the process in terms of building that up?
Holly Worton: My first blog I did on my own. I ran that thing for years, and never thought of getting help with it because it was just so easy to do. Then, throughout all of my previous incarnations of my business, I did have a couple of websites, three websites I think, where I hired someone else to do them for me. I would have this guy do the websites for me and then he would deliver kind of the project.
I would take it from there and just add all the pages, and add anything else I needed and that kind of thing. But it was just nice to have someone set up the structure for me. My last couple of websites, I’ve done on my own using Divi, which I love. Divi is another one of my … I’ve used it for a couple of years now, but it’s just, I love it, love it, love it. It’s so easy.
When I said to you that I’d created a whole website in a ‘workation weekend,’ that was using Divi. I learned how to use Divi and built the website in one weekend. Again, I think it’s really intuitive, it’s easy to use, it’s easy to create attractive websites and I’m just, it’s one of my favourite things. Loving Divi.
Ahmed Khalifa: Divi is one of the most popular WordPress themes around, so it doesn’t surprise me that not only you use it, but you love it as well. You know, it seems to be the impression that I get from a lot of people because I’ve never really used it extensively.
I have dabbled with it, played with it, but it seems to be like, you know, it helps you to look very professional in terms of how your website appears as well. For a lot of people in our situation, if you’re working on your own or whatever, perfect, that’s what you need as well.
I’m sure you’ve heard it, but a lot of people are complaining about WordPress, saying, “Oh, can’t do this, can’t do that,” or they’re having trouble with it. What advice would you have for anyone who’s having trouble starting their WordPress site, or even growing with it, what advice would you have for those people?
Holly Worton: I would say if you’re having trouble at any stage of working with a WordPress website, go online and Google the solution. WordPress has been around for so many years now, there are so many people that specialise in WordPress, that teach you how to use WordPress, YouTube videos on how to use WordPress.
Just Google your problem and you will find the solution quickly and easily, and then just do it. There’s so much information out there, you just need to be proactive and look for the solution. There’s so much out there.
Any time I ever have a question on how to do anything in WordPress, I just Google it and I find the answer. Just be proactive and look for it, because if you can’t figure it out on your own, don’t waste the time, search for the answer.
Ahmed Khalifa: It’s something that I’ve mentioned so many times in the past. The community behind WordPress is so supportive. Not only you can ask them in certain places, in the forums and whatever, but the amount of content articles, guides, e-books and whatever, we’re talking a huge, huge, huge amount. Up to date, as well.
You can kind of get by very, very well with just following your advice and reading these articles. You’re right, even YouTube as well, it’s something that is a very good point. You could watch some instruction guide on YouTube videos, or even do a course, you know?
Sometimes you can find free courses, other times you pay £20, you know, even for a course. You know, why not? Why not? It’s a good investment for yourself, for your business, it’s brilliant. It’s so great that you have that enthusiasm about WordPress, which is another reason why I wanted to interview you as well, because you have that enthusiasm. It’s brilliant. You know, with all that combined together, you’re talking about business mindset.
Running an online business is not easy. You said, yourself, that you had to work so, so hard in your previous business and stuff like that. So, what is, not maybe your best advice, but what is one of your advice that you give to people, to help them get that right mindset, to help them with their business?
Holly Worton: I think it all starts with paying attention to what your current mindset is. That kind of requires training your brain. If you’re ever working in your business and you hesitate to do something, or you’re procrastinating on something and you just kind of keep shoving it down, down, down on the list, stop and think about why.
Is it because it’s maybe not a high priority for you, or is it because it is a high priority but you’re scared of it for some reason?
How do you feel about it? Start paying attention to all the stuff that either scares you, or doesn’t feel right, or any beliefs you have, that you think, well, I can’t do that, I’m not good enough.
Start paying attention to that stuff, and maybe even write it down so that it makes it real, so that you really acknowledge the fact that you’ve got these beliefs, and then do something about it. I mean, either see a practitioner, a facilitator who can help you work through that, or a coach, or do something like EFT that you can find tonnes of videos on YouTube. Emotional Freedom Technique, or tapping, is a really easy way.
You don’t have to train in it, thousands of videos available on YouTube. Do something to work through that stuff, but before you can do the work, you need to figure out what your specific limiting beliefs or fears are. It all comes down to starting with awareness.
Don’t just sweep it under the rug and pretend it’s not there because it will still be there operating in the background, even if you’re not paying attention to it. Bring it up to the light, give it the space and then get rid of it.
Ahmed Khalifa: It’s just like a lot of things in life, it’s better to deal with it than sweep it under the carpet. You know, just let it come out, deal with it head on and just tackle it. One of my favourite things to do is to, if you ever have doubts about your skills or anything like that, next time anybody has written or said anything good about you, track it, write it down, log it.
On Evernote, I’ve got a special note. I call it the ‘Awesome Log.’ Basically, any time there is a compliment or something happens and I want to write down about it, or just a really good social media comment about whatever I do, I put it in there.
That way, when you have any doubts about yourself, you just go there, look at it, and then you think, you know what, I’m not as bad as I think I am. People do appreciate how good you are, so, just, you know, you don’t have to be afraid. That is one of my favourite techniques.
Holly Worton: Excellent advice. I have a folder on my computer and I screen capture stuff, and I just put it in the folder. Very good advice.
Ahmed Khalifa: Yeah. Screen grab, as well. It’s my favourite thing, a good screen grab, a tweet or whatever, a comment, even a private one. At the end of the day, it’s going to be for you only, you’re not going to publish it anywhere.
Even if you screen grab anything and put it somewhere safe, just have a look at it. It’s nice to look at it and give you a smile now and then. It’s really, really cool. What is your biggest strength?
Holly Worton: My biggest strength, I would say my intuition. That’s something that … I’ve written a book on business intuition because it’s such a big part of my life now. It didn’t used to be, and I always thought that I wasn’t an intuitive person and I just didn’t have that skill. But it is a skill and you can learn how to do it. You can learn how to like stay in touch with yourself.
My intuition allows me to stay really connected with myself and just listen to my gut. I know exactly where to go and I have unwavering trust in my intuition. If my intuition says to me, “You need to do this in your business,” I’ll do it, even if it doesn’t make sense, because it will make sense down the line.
It’s taken me a long time to trust that and to develop that, but now it is definitely kind of my superpower and biggest strength in my business because it’s led me down paths that my head would not have led me down. It’s taken me to good places.
Ahmed Khalifa: Wow. It’s the same thing what you said, if you have imposter syndrome, and you’re doubting yourself and you’re doubting your intuition and your gut feeling, then you question it. But now you feel much more confident about it, you say, “You know what? My gut is saying this, just do it.”
Holly Worton: Yep.
Ahmed Khalifa: You go ahead with your … I like that, it’s a really good strength to have. I think you’re right though, it’s something that you can learn. There’s a lot of things that people say you can’t pick up because it has to be inside you, but that one, yeah, you can learn with that. So then, let’s go the other way round. What is your biggest weakness and how do you overcome it?
Holly Worton: My biggest weakness is, kind of the other side of the coin, is getting out of touch with myself and not paying attention to what I need or what space I am at any given time. Sometimes my brain just isn’t very good at focus, for whatever reason, and I’m having a day where I just can’t get anything done, but sometimes I’ll try to just push myself and just forge through it.
Whatever I create in that space is not going to be good. My weakness is not always paying attention to where I am and what I need to be doing. What I do, how do I deal with that, is just try to remind myself if my brain isn’t working on this kind of task right now, just let go, push it in the calendar to another day when hopefully I will be able to work on it better.
But just allow myself to do what I need to do at any given moment. Obviously I have client throughout the day, but in between the client sessions I do work on my business. It’s managing that time with whatever my brain is suited for at that moment.
Sometimes I can plan for that and sometimes I can’t. It’s about giving myself permission to move stuff around and maybe not write the blog post when I thought I was going to write it, or record the podcast episode when I thought I was going to do it, because it would have not been very good if I had forced myself to do it.
Ahmed Khalifa: You want to enjoy it at the end of the day. You want to be in the zone, so…
Holly Worton: Yeah. More importantly, I want to create good content. I don’t want to just do stuff for the sake of doing stuff and being visible. This is something that I’ve been really going on about lately a lot, like on my own platforms and with friends.
You know, all the people that are out there doing like Facebook Lives every day and that kind of thing, and just doing quantity, quantity, quantity, it’s like, okay, you’re getting visible, people are seeing you, but is that your best work? Would it be better to maybe do one a week, but have it be just amazing, out of this world?
The really good content is the stuff that’s going to get shared. I don’t know, I’m kind of trying to allow myself the space to produce better stuff rather than tonnes of stuff.
Ahmed Khalifa: Yeah. No, that makes sense. You know, it’s what we said earlier about, you know, you have to work 18 hours a day to force things out. Take a step back, it’s okay. You’re allowed to do that. You’re allowed to do that, so it’s a really good point. I like that a lot, as well.
Let’s get sentimental then. What are you most proud about with your business?
Holly Worton: What am I most proud about? I would say helping other people, and the way I help people to dig really deep and get to the icky stuff in a way that’s not difficult. I use humour a lot with clients, so like we’ll talk about the really deep, dark stuff, but I’ll kind of … I don’t know how to make this sound. You’d have to be in a session with me to understand it.
I don’t like joke about people’s pain, but I bring elements of humour into it so that they’re digging up the deep stuff, but it doesn’t feel painful to talk about it, it feels light.
I’m really good at helping people see when they’re stuck in their smallness, and lifting them up into their greatness and their potential. Really good at calling people out when they’re planning small, and in seeing it, and seeing that they’re capable of so much more.
I like doing the deep work with people and just helping people achieve their potential. That’s what I’m most proud of. I love doing the deep stuff.
Ahmed Khalifa: It must be rewarding to see that [crosstalk 00:30:17]
Holly Worton: Yeah.
Ahmed Khalifa: You see them at stage one, and then at the very end of it, you look at them after what you’ve done with them, and they’re just revitalised, kind of thing. It must be really rewarding. That’s really cool. I’m trying my best to keep this short and concise because we could talk for ages, we can go on forever, but it’s just been really, really good talking to you.
I really, really enjoyed it, loved your energy about how much you, not only love your business, but WordPress and stuff like that as well. Really, really loved that as well. Before we kind of close things off, where is the best place for people to find you and connect with you?
Holly Worton: Yeah. Best place is hollyworton.com. That has links to everything. It’s got links to all my books on Amazon, it’s got links to my YouTube, all my social media stuff, podcasts, everything. You can find me there.
Ahmed Khalifa: Awesome. I’ll put that in the show note as well, so you can find it there as well. Holly, again, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.
Holly Worton: Thank you.
Ahmed Khalifa: And that is it. Thank you, Holly, once again, for coming onto the show. Really, really appreciate it. Really had good fun talking to you. I know we could go on forever about it, but it’s just so much fun chatting with you.
You know, there’s so many things to pick up, as usual, when I talk to people. One of those with Holly is that you need to get your mindset right, and you just don’t have to copy how other people do it.
Just because other people hustle all the time and work all day long, doesn’t mean that that is how you should work as well. Find the best way that you can make it work. It’s your way, your style, not other people’s style, that you should find out. Find what works best for you.
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It’d make me so, so happy. I really, really would appreciate it. If you want the show notes, they are available on igniterock.com/episode23.
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